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I just wish my M3 have a better transmission. The one that comes with the M3 series is not a very tight shifter, nor is it fast and firm. Definitely could be better, much better. Paddle shifter is, by and large, a joke; slow and clunky.

Someone high up in Hiroshima should be told of this.

On the other hand, if this same setup is used to drive the CX-5, which is much heavier, then probably the silver lining is that in the M3, its longevity is looking more favorable.
 

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Its cause everybody expected it to be a hot hatch.
Yep, I think most of the reviewers mistake the target demographic for the car.
The WRX, golf, and Veloster N are for people who prefer a more raw driving feel (i.e. manual transmission) and practicality over interior quality/refinement & a smooth powertrain.

The Turbo 3 is made for those who are looking at entry-level german cars, like the Mercedes A-class, CLA, and the Audi A3. Relative to these, the 3 has both a better price and overall performance.
 

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Yep, I think most of the reviewers mistake the target demographic for the car.
The WRX, golf, and Veloster N are for people who prefer a more raw driving feel (i.e. manual transmission) and practicality over interior quality/refinement & a smooth powertrain.

The Turbo 3 is made for those who are looking at entry-level german cars, like the Mercedes A-class, CLA, and the Audi A3. Relative to these, the 3 has both a better price and overall performance.
Yes, I have been watching reviews by Redline reviews, Straight Pipes, Throttle house and Matt Moran. All seemed more pleased than Alex on Autos whose obsession with tire size borders on a fetish.
It appears just what I wanted, added speed without N.V.H., a gentleman's (or ladies) express, an honest G.T. Car Buzz says it best "a hot hatch for grownups" Tuners need not apply. See GTI,WRX, Veloster N
 

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So the Mazda3 pretty much is faster off the line than the Golf R without launch control.
It's exactly what I said here.

Yeah, with 1-foot-rollout and probably launch control (which I don't like).
I personally do not like the 1-foot-rollout because it doesn't test the gearbox performance off the line (which on the DSG, without launch control, it was very bad and almost no car reviewer talked about it).
I still think that, in real world example of flooring from a stop light, the Mazda3 2.5l turbo with AWD will get you faster to legal speed than the GTI can (I pretty much had to do this daily while entering the interstate from a red light).
 

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Yes. I do not understand why, in the video above,(Throttle House) they chose to compare the 3 to the R, when the price of GTI falls right in line with Mazda. So long as we are crowing about predictions, I predicted this would happen, just because both are AWD.

I want to see a head up vs GTI, that's the competitor.
 

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Yes, I have been watching reviews by Redline reviews, Straight Pipes, Throttle house and Matt Moran. All seemed more pleased than Alex on Autos whose obsession with tire size borders on a fetish.
It appears just what I wanted, added speed without N.V.H., a gentleman's (or ladies) express, an honest G.T. Car Buzz says it best "a hot hatch for grownups" Tuners need not apply. See GTI,WRX, Veloster N
well, the dude looks like someone who would fetishize tire size
 

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The best review you’re going to get on the new Mazda 3 turbo will be from Savagegeese or MotomanTV.

The drag race Throttle House did with the Mazda 3 turbo showed results I didn’t really expect. The Mazda did well.

I’m not sure how many times it has to be iterated to some of these car reviewers like Alex On Autos; Mazda made it clear that this isn’t a Mazdaspeed 3. Does Mazda need to send these guys a press car with vinyl wrapping all over the car that says “not a Mazdaspeed 3?” I think these reviewers that keep making this connection are damaging the perception of the vehicle as people might perceive the mazda 3 turbo as underperforming or not meeting an unintended expectation
 

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0-60 in 5.75 sec in darn impressive for a non mazdaspeed. Its finally a competition for Mercedes A class and Audi A3, even a gti. I was never a fan of the suspension and the economy car performance of the 2019 version. This turbo now makes the 3 a serious conversation starter.
 

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I want to see a head up vs GTI, that's the competitor.
CarAndDriver data:

Mazda3 2.5l turbo:
  • 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • 130 mph: 28.5 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.4 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.1 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
  • 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 99 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 169 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g
Mazda3 2.5l NA:
  • Zero to 60 mph: 7.2 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 19.6 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 32.1 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 7.7 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.7 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.1 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 15.6 sec @ 91 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 164 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Mk7 GTI with performance pack and DSG (the one with VAQ):
  • Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
  • Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
  • Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
  • Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
  • Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
 

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Mazda3 2.5l turbo:
  • 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • 130 mph: 28.5 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.4 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.1 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
  • 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 99 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 169 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g
Mazda3 2.5l NA:
  • Zero to 60 mph: 7.2 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 19.6 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 32.1 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 7.7 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.7 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.1 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 15.6 sec @ 91 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 164 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Mk7 GTI with performance pack and DSG (the one with VAQ):
  • Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
  • Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
  • Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
  • Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
  • Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
Thanks, iwolffy. Great listing. Answered lots of my questions.

Particularly like the 1/4 mile figures.
 

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CarAndDriver data:

Mazda3 2.5l turbo:
  • 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • 130 mph: 28.5 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.4 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.1 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.0 sec
  • 1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 99 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 134 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 169 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g
Mazda3 2.5l NA:
  • Zero to 60 mph: 7.2 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 19.6 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 32.1 sec
  • Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 7.7 sec
  • Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.7 sec
  • Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.1 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 15.6 sec @ 91 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 131 mph
  • Braking, 70–0 mph: 164 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Mk7 GTI with performance pack and DSG (the one with VAQ):
  • Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
  • Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
  • Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
  • Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.5 sec
  • Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.9 sec
  • Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec
  • Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
  • Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
  • Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
  • Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
Thanks, I Iove analyzing Stats. These are particularly useful for comparison as each car's numbers come from the same source using the same techniques. I am struck that there is such a large disparity between N.A and turbo 3's 0-60 but 50-70 not so much. I would have thought it the other way around. In addition here are C&D impressions. Tested: 2021 Mazda 3 2.5 Turbo Is a Tuner Car for Grownups
 

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I find the acceleration of my 2017 3 pretty good. In my teens and 20's, I drove like a bat out of hell, but now having hit 40, I drive like an old man about 95% of the time, and then the other 5%, I drive like a demon. I'm worried about driving the new Turbo though because that rush of torque can be addictive. I recently drove a Tesla Model 3 and the torque in that car was just insane.
 

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I just wish my M3 have a better transmission. The one that comes with the M3 series is not a very tight shifter, nor is it fast and firm. Definitely could be better, much better. Paddle shifter is, by and large, a joke; slow and clunky.

Someone high up in Hiroshima should be told of this.

On the other hand, if this same setup is used to drive the CX-5, which is much heavier, then probably the silver lining is that in the M3, its longevity is looking more favorable.
That's a good observation, I think the whole setup results a in low stressed power train vs most any other car of equal performance. I think that lack of stress could rub off on the driver as well. A relaxed performance car, polar opposite of the old noisy, torque steering, tire smoking Speed 3, which could be bad or good depending on what you are into.
 
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