227 hp and 310 lb tq... opinions???
I heard electrochromic mirrors and rear parking sensors among other features. These two features are not on US spec Mazda3s. In Mexico, the hatch is sold in the iSport and i Grand Touring Trims. The Turbo will be sold in the S Grand Touring and Signature Trims.In Mexico the Hatch Turbo will come this year followed by the Sedan next year. The engine specs are the same as the existing 2.5L Turbo found in other Mazda vehicles and I didn't hear any specs mentioned that are any different than on the current top trim. So no new surprises other than making it official.
Isn't that a bit harsh? I'm a dyed-in-the-wool manual trans guy (have one in my Mazda6)... butYou are forgetting... no IRS.. no manual transmission..
AWD adds enough weight that the turbo version and the non-AWD N/A version would be about the same in terms of performance.
Also, who's going to mod and tune an automatic? What's the point?
Nobody...the turbo motor is proving nearly impossible to tune properly......Also, who's going to mod and tune an automatic?
It didn't help the Mazda 6 at all. Sales have been dropping steadily for a long time now.I hope that it will boost sales...
... It didn't help the Mazda 6 at all. Sales have been dropping steadily for a long time now....
All sedan sales are dropping. I suspect the 6 sales would be worse without the turbo. By having the turbo, a lot of reviewers talked about the 6, likely resulting in people looking at and buying both turbo and non turbos.... A 227 hp 4 cylinder turbo that runs out of steam at 5k rpm just isn't going to cut it in that market.
No, they won't. Numbers mean nothing. It might shave a few tenths off the 0-60 times, but it will still be a slug compared to the competition. The same engine in the Mazda 6 is not a big performer, why expect any difference here? In fact, when the motor first appeared in the Mazda 6, the big story was how quiet the car was due to better acoustic insulation. The motor got maybe one paragraph- low end power, no high end, a good people hauler, mediocre at best. Lets hope Mazda made some changes in the way the 2.5 performs in the Mazda 3.300lb/ft vs 184lb/ft, they will perform very different
Yes, currently sales are dropping but the Mazda 6 has been going downhill for a very long time, and the turbo did nothing to improve that. In fact, sales have dropped even more, down 19% for the month of June and almost 39% for the year.All sedan sales are dropping. I suspect the 6 sales would be worse without the turbo. By having the turbo, a lot of reviewers talked about the 6, likely resulting in people looking at and buying both turbo and non turbos.
The thing is, Mazda is trying to move up market, trying to be a "luxury brand" and while the interiors and the price tags reflect this, the power train does not. At the end of the day its still an econobox with an appliance motor under the hood. Not many will look at the turbo 3 as a "sedate grocery getter for more discriminating drivers" when similar cars with much better performance are available for about the same money. Most will see the words "250 hp turbo all wheel drive hatch " and immediately make the GTI / WRX comparison, and they will be greatly disappointed. Mazda needs to stop trying to be something its not and never was, and go back to its roots where it was successful for many years.If you do most of your driving on public roads, power between 2,000 and 4.000 rpm is most important. I don’t track my Mazda. 227 to 250 hp would make the difference between almost enough and more than enough power for a daily driver.
If they were trying to develop a MazdaSpeed3, I would agree 100%. It would need 300hp at 6000 rpm, IRS, manual, and a bunch more to compete. There are a lot of great hot hatches on the market and none have a Mazda badge.
My point exactly. If you want to run with the big boys you need to get off the porch. The 2.5 turbo slug just isn't what the car needs. The comparable AWD S3 makes 288 hp ( I bet the power doesn't drop off at 5k rpm either), and has 0-60 times just over 4 seconds, but costs several thousand dollars more. The 230i AWD has 248 hp, 0-60 in just over 5 seconds, and can pull almost 1G on the skidpad...lets see that torsion suspension do that....however, its still going to be at least $15k more than the Mazda, and its not an AWD hatch either, so its not the same thing. The A class is a sedan only, the turbo 3 will be a hatch only for now, so no real comparison there. Price about the same for AWD though the A class will provide a lot more for about the same money, power about the same but the motor won't be diesel like in performance.In my opinion, the 3 competes with the new BMW 2 sedan thing, Audi A3, and MB A. All have more power but otherwise are no better than the Mazda3.
Renault Megane RS is regarded as one of the best handling hot hatches and doesn't have IRS (the latest gen Megane RS has 4-wheel steering but the previous one did not and still was the benchmark)..lets see that torsion suspension do that..
Mazda 6 is FWD only and doesn't have a limited slip diff and cannot put power down (especially with all-season tires).Car and driver tested the Mazda 6 turbo 0-60 6.4. Same testers got 0-60 in 6.1 with the cx5 turbo that weighs an addition 250 lbs (3563 vs 3810).
How can that be