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Which tires? keep in mind i am doing all seasons

  • Continetial Extreme contact dws06

    Votes: 10 29.4%
  • Michelin Pilot sport a/s3+

    Votes: 11 32.4%
  • Kumho Ecsta 4x 2

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Sumitomo htr a/s p02

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Hankook Ventus s1 Noble2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Falkon pro g4 a/s

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Continnetial Control Contactsport a/s

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Goodyear Eagle sport a/s

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Bridgestone potenza re97 a/s

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • other

    Votes: 6 17.6%

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Discussion Starter #21 (Edited)
Ok guys and girls I am narrowing my choices down now, as I read more about these tires and overall performance, life and what not I am either getting Michelin pilot sport a/s3+ Continental Extreme Contact DWS 06 (though they rate as having tread growl, so I may go with another just because of this) I am dealing with loud growly firestones now and hate that noise to no end (its horrible) The Sumitomo HTR A/S P02 (they rate great and are recommended by consumers on tire rack for an outstanding price) or the Falken pro G4 A/S (rated highly as well, and a great price at discount tire, and in stock another plus)

So help me decide, grin and bear it a little longer on these horrid firestones and order the more expensive Michelins or Continentals, or bite the bullet and try something from sumitomo (falken is a sumitomo brand) I have had sumitomo tires before and was pleased with them, they where on an old 06 sentra I wrecked, but the sumitomo tires where great on that car. I have also had Michelins on older mazdas and was pleased as well, so I am kinda stuck in my decision here
 

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What's the spread (per set of four) from the Michelins to the cheaper tires you're considering? I'd bite the bullet and get what you really want. They'll last you for years, so best to get something you won't regret.
 

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What's the spread (per set of four) from the Michelins to the cheaper tires you're considering? I'd bite the bullet and get what you really want. They'll last you for years, so best to get something you won't regret.
very true, which is why I am looking at a wide array of them, and am slowly narrowing it down the sumitomo htr is the cheapest one at $74 a tire plus shipping from tirerack.com (they are consumer recommended and rate well in tire racks tests) the Michelin is the most expensive between $148 ea at tirerack.com and $170ish ea most places at $162 at tire rack normally

I also am liking the looks of these Falken ZIEX ZE950 (they look very similar to the pro g4 a/s discount has, actually they appear to be the same tire to me) but pepboys has them locally on buy 3 get 1 free normally 103 a tire now $77 a tire on sale and they are higher speed rated than the equivalent pro g4 a/s at discount (pro g4 in our size is H) THE ZIEX ZE950 IS A W rated tire and I don't really want to go with H rated tires as they are lower grip usually and the higher speed rating usually geys you stiffer side walls that give the tire better performance.
 

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Discussion Starter #24 (Edited)
Well I ended up with a tire not in the poll Cooper RS3-A 205/50/17 93w 40k mile rated 500aa a utqg tires they weigh 24 pounds ea and initial impressions after 100 or so miles is great, very sticky on dry and car feels planted and solid, yet lighter on its feet then the firestones. I got a rain storm at work this afternoon, I got to drive in and initial impressions in wet are impressive as well, braking was great and turning response felt as good as dry did. these tires feel solidly planted and as if they offer more grip then the car would ever need.

Very similar feel to the Michelin Pilot sport a/s3 but car feels more nimble with the coopers then a similar one did with Michelins. steering was nice and weighty with the firestones but response was lacking and so was overall grip in all situations, plus the noise. These coopers are very quiet. steering feels lighter, but more direct and controllable, it also seems to give more feedback when your in turns which is good, overall ill take a lighter feel that gives more feedback. as that inspires confidence in the tire. I have not pushed them hard as I am letting them break in but may go push them around some turns and backroads this weekend and see what they can do. I think the lighter on its feet part is due to the 1.5 pound difference in the wide oval a/s and cooper tires the coopers are 24 pounds each and the firestones are 25.5.

I am very impressed with this tire so far, for $100 a tire not a bad tire at all and definitely feels at home where a Michelin pilot sport a/s3 costing 1.5x as much does. pilot sport a/s3 weighs 24 pounds just like the cooper, and both have similar tread designs and ratings, so probably why the close feeling in them.

We shall see how they hold up, I will post a review after a few thousand miles or so on how they have worn and performance and all that as they wear in.

link to the cooper tire I bought: https://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Zeon-RS3-Radial-Tire/dp/B006JYHB62

plus the sidewall treatment looks like a sport tire a plus I didn't really care about until it was on the car, and the tread design looks great on our cars.

EDIT: well many sites list the 205/50/17 cooper rs3-a as 24 pounds coopers site lists as 23 so im going to go with cooper's own info and say they weight 2.5 pounds less then the old firestones. huge difference there in unsprung weight, probably why I still tell they grip fantastically but the car feels soo much lighter and spirited
 

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I hate to shit all over your purchase, but in my experience with Cooper tires they start out great and start going downhill by 10k miles. By 50% treadlife, they are horrible tires. I hope your experience is better. That's why you pay the extra money for tires like the A/S 3. They are a great tire through out the whole tread life.
 

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I hate to shit all over your purchase, but in my experience with Cooper tires they start out great and start going downhill by 10k miles. By 50% treadlife, they are horrible tires. I hope your experience is better. That's why you pay the extra money for tires like the A/S 3. They are a great tire through out the whole tread life.
Not a big deal man, its a forum and we are all entitled to our opinion, like I wont put bfg comp a/s2 tires on anything after my bad experience with them not balancing. we have all had experiences with tires good and bad and that's why I started this poll to get an idea of where to go on my tire decisions, as the a/s3 where just a hair more then I really waned to spend so I was seeing if anything else a little bit cheaper had been made to compete with the a/s3 or give me a good experience owning them. price was not my biggest factor here though, overall performance was and the coopers fit the bill both price and performance rating wise and so far have been excellent

yeah, I saw a few of those reviews on these tires, but not enough bad to outweigh the good ones, same with the a/s3 reviews, some where bad but not enough to outweigh the good. I kinda did this impulse as I was getting tired of the firestone growl everywhere it was getting worse and louder the more I drove. they would growl at low speed and that's where it was the worst was in a parking lot or something similar the sound was atrocious and overbearing even over the bose stereo all the way up. it sounded like a wheel bearing that had failed (knew it was not as I checked play on all 4) the car is a nice little car and I wanted the ride to match my perception of it. had the store I had gone to stocked michelns for this car at the store I probably would have bought those but they had the coopers and the price was right so I figured I would try them, my dad had coopers on his old f150 and they where fine for over 30k miles (again different car and tire but same brand) so we shall see. that's why I said I would post a review after a few thousand miles to see where I am at with them still. ill probably post a review after the first rotation to see how they have held up and how rotation messes with them. im one of those people I do like trying new things and this tire rates favorably and is a best seller in our size so it cant be too bad, again time and miles will tell.

many tires get louder as they wear, the a/s3s would but it would be barely noticeable unless you listened for it. I think many people don't realize that's a characteristic of aging rubber and lower tread is to be stiffer and therefore louder. and that's where many negative reviews of any tire like that come from, also people don't rotate tires regularly so many rate wear as bad even though with rotations at correct intervals wear would have been a nonfactor. I am anal about car care so things like this get done as soon as needed, even before. so time and mileage will tell after 4 days im still happy very grippy tire that feels great dry and wet and has great feel in braking and steering, and is currently quiet a plus, I will take a tire that is loud if it continues to grip and function as this tire does now, the firestones lacked grip and made the car feel as if it had lead tires on and the braking and steering on it was lacking at best, and they where LOUD to boot, I don't mind a loud tire that is a good tire I just don't want a loud and crappy tire
 

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@kms1990, all that counts is what you like, what works well for your car! As I and a couple of others have noted, we each have different driving patterns and needs.

Looking at the latest results in our thread's above A/S tire poll, Conti Extreme Contact DWS 06's remain the highest choice tire, in fact just about the members choose/chose the Conti's as the combined total of our second place tire (Michelin A/S 3+) and our "other tire" group.

I talked today at length with my long term tire specialist (nice to have consultant who helps you for free), Luke from TireRack. He has advised me for years, today on both tires for my daughter's 2015 Camry and also my next-month-arriving Mazda 3. What I like about Luke is that he asked a lot of questions such as, what type of driving I did; what is my driving style; what others cars I drove and what tires I had on them/, and, in what ways did I like or want more from them; and, lastly, what was I looking forward to in my A/S's? Based on what I told him, his answer for me, was His recommending the Michelin A/S 3+.

My guess is that if others contacted him and answered his questions differently, he would have recommended the Conti or several others.
 

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@kms1990, all that counts is what you like, what works well for your car! As I and a couple of others have noted, we each have different driving patterns and needs.

Looking at the latest results in our thread's above A/S tire poll, Conti Extreme Contact DWS 06's remain the highest choice tire, in fact just about the members choose/chose the Conti's as the combined total of our second place tire (Michelin A/S 3+) and our "other tire" group.

I talked today at length with my long term tire specialist (nice to have consultant who helps you for free), Luke from TireRack. He has advised me for years, today on both tires for my daughter's 2015 Camry and also my next-month-arriving Mazda 3. What I like about Luke is that he asked a lot of questions such as, what type of driving I did; what is my driving style; what others cars I drove and what tires I had on them/, and, in what ways did I like or want more from them; and, lastly, what was I looking forward to in my A/S's? Based on what I told him, his answer for me, was His recommending the Michelin A/S 3+.

My guess is that if others contacted him and answered his questions differently, he would have recommended the Conti or several others.
I actually did chat with some tire specialists at tire rack, but they dont carry cooper for our car so They had nothing to go on for how they stack up against the DSW06 and A/S 3+ would be nice if they did carry these tires, as michelin and conti are both american brands and so is cooper so it would be nice for one of the largest tire distributors to support american brand tires granted my rs3-a are not made here but the company still has the proits come here. for me it came down to price and the rs3-a fit the bill at $30-50 less a tire i think they are such a bargain right now because cooper is bringing out a newer version called the rs3-g1 which is supposed to be able to do 1g lateral grip in a skid test, and the rs3-a design dates back to the original a/s 3 from Michelin, so like to stay competitive as michelin did with the a/s3+ they brought out new tires. well the rs3-a work great, grip is more then a 2.5L mazad 3 hatch ever needs they ride smooth especially for a uhp tire wet and dry grip both are well above expectations when purchased, steering feel is excellent it lightened it up compared to the firehawks it had, well that could be due to the coopers also being 2.5 pounds a tire lighter then the firehawks or the fact they are a better contact patch design and move with the steering input easier, or a combo. i know i can feel the 10 pounds of tire it lost as the car feels more nimble, steers better accelerates just a hair better and the coopers grip much better then those firehawks ever hoped to. for anyone looking at tires as of right now i would highly recommend the coopers, but as with everything one must get what is right for them so compare for your needs but keep the coopers in mind they definitely hold their own against the a/s3 a/s3+ and dsw06 and the rs3-g1 should be even better only unknown for me now is the wear life of these coopers they have a 40,000 mile warranty so if they get past 35,000 im happy, i will warrnty and buy again, because the a/s 3 i have had before had a 45,000 mile warranty and would go about 39-42k before needing replacement and i would get the small prorate left on the wear and buy another set at a small discount, because sometimes havomg grip and steering/braking responce is more important then having a tire make it past the warranty as long as they get close and im not in needing more before 30k again im happy
 

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to anyone wanting a gist of this thread here it is, I got Cooper RS3-A tires for my 11 GT hatch, they have 5k miles as of this posting and I have not regretted it once since buying, they are all wearing evenly and look to have tons of useful life ahead, the rotation is coming up soon, and if your following my review thread I will be posting results after the rotation to see how wear and life excpectancy will play out. The DSW06 tires seem like a great alternative and the a/s3 and a/s3+ I know are, the RS3-A at the time of writing have similar UTQG ratings, warranty and specs so I went with them due to costing $30 less a tire then the Michelins and so far have not regretted it. the RS3-A and A/S3 perform very similarly and one would be hard pressed to tell the difference in a blind drive of both sets on the same car. my choices for tires for anyone looking would be Michelin Pilot sport a/s3 or a/s3+, cooper rs3-a (both tied as they seem very similar) then the conti dsw06 as they seem to be a favorite here and rate well
 

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thanks for the very informative posts!
I have a 2010 Mazda 3 i 4D sedan and was looking to get new tires and this is very helpful!
 

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Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ gets my vote. It ticks all the right boxes for superb well-rounded performance, comfort, and longevity. After reading and watching every current online review, I called and talked to three different people at Tire Rack who each emphatically stated that the competitive Continentals and Pirellis were nowhere close to the Michelin in this tire category, comparatively speaking. On sale this month at Costco, BTW.

I wish somebody would try these Michelins on the 2017 Mazda3 for a direct comparison with the Dunlops. I'd bump up to 225s, for sure.
I just had the 225/45/18 Michelin Pilot Sport /S 3+ tires installed this past Saturday along with the Megan Racing's front h-brace by the local tire dealer...Very good combo, feels planted/stable .

Scary though as that night after the first stop, I smelled burnt rubber tire and I was thinking that it was rubbing against something, but there was nothing as the 225s are no problem with the fitment. I guess that because they were new tires, they gave off this new coating smell as I put in the mileage.
 
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