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Does it bug you that your power windows and door lock/unlock button don't light up

  • Yes, it bugs me

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Non-Lit Power Window/Door Lock Switches

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Ok all. Without getting into details, simple poll here: Does it bug you that your Power window switches and lock/unlock button don't light up at night? I've found myself fiddling around down there many times.

EDIT: I started the Transplant from a Mazda6 panel and I'm transplanting the translucent switches to the Mazda3 panel. Proceed to Page 2, post 17 to see the excitement.
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In Slovakia the almost top model of M3 (all features except leather and AFS) has at least drivers switch lit up.. than it is up to your imagination to find the remaining buttons :D
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Also, member @sevec confirmed that the top-line Poland models have all 4 switches light up. Just need to find a away to get our hands on the Poland parts and hope the wiring harness is the same -- boy wouldn't that be nice...
Sorry, but all EU M3 including Poland have only 1 button illuminated at night. Other story is current BM 2017 facelift, there buttons are lighted up with auto feature as well (so basically exact as in M6 since 2012)
Sorry, but all EU M3 including Poland have only 1 button illuminated at night. Other story is current BM 2017 facelift, there buttons are lighted up with auto feature as well (so basically exact as in M6 since 2012)
Well there we go -- look at all the information we're finding out!
And mine is a 2017 face lifted model in Canada. Dang LOL.

Ahh well, you win some you lose some.
And mine is a 2017 face lifted model in Canada. Dang LOL.

Ahh well, you win some you lose some.
There were a and still are 3 versions of M3's in Europe (Talking about Poland and UK, no idea how it is in rest of EU). Looking from basic to full option we have SE, SE-L, Sport in UK and SkyMOTION, SkyENERGY, SkyPASSION in PL. All of those had only 1 window switch illuminated on driver side at least to beginning of 2016. Maybe that has changed in last year before facelift - no idea.
But at least Sport and SkyPASSION with new interior have all switches illuminated for all doors as I've had driven these. I suspect that all facelifts without MZD system are still same in the inside as prelifts and versions with MZD are benefited with electronic handbrake, new center console (which looks brilliant) and illuminated switches.
In America you got much more wariants for the unknown (at least for me) reason. But 2.5L is not available in EU which is a real shame :(

But return on the subject - great job Chazzy J, it finally is as it should be at first place. Looking for a tutorial in How-to section :)
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@darrecky

You bet. There will definitely be a how-to, I just have to figure out how to put together a how-to for the average-joe to follow, be descript enough to translate the need for precision, and ensure the how-to helps provide other member-base consistent results.

In the end, you'll need to spend around $100 on ebay donor parts. And depending on what tools you do have, you might need to purchase some (i.e. a dremel, drill, pliers, vice grips, small phillips and flathead screwdrivers, etc). And you only have 4 switches, and you have to transplant 3 of them, so if you mess up more than once, you may have just spent a lot of money for nothing. So you can see where my hesitation is.

For anyone who is willing to take a lot of time, keep attention to detail, and not try to take shortcuts, it's really not that hard.

Thank you for the props. Cheers.
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Alright, so update:

When I began this project, I had ordered 4000k SMB LED as seen here: https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/surface-mount-smd/little-dot-smd-led-accent-light/639/

They're perfect for the job because the wires turn into a ribbon which makes it a perfect squeeze into the electrical components.

So as I said previously, the 4000k lights had a small tinge of yellow to them. So immediately I went and ordered the 6000k SMD LEDs. As you can see from the link, they're surface mounted. Very good adhesive too. In fact, so good, that once it goes on and you press it down, it ain't coming back off (it can, but you won't be able to re-use it w/o some glue). So as I started mounting these to my donor board, I noticed that a crucial part of the process is the refraction of light and how it disperses itself. The lock/unlock button was designed to have a light and the light is able to disperse itself evenly all the way through the channel. The door switches are a little different, there's not a "defined channel" for the light to disperse to the top. So in essence, the lock/unlock button lights up WAY brighter than the window switches do.

Obviously, this is not ok with me. So last night I tried some different locations for the SMB LED to be mounted to (I use standard scotch tape to hold it in place -- like I said, you really only get to use the adhesive once...). I finally got the dispersion of light to appear equal on the lock/unlock button vs. the window buttons.

So again, this is my donor board (powered by a simple 9V battery), so I've only got one spare window switch to play with, but you'll get the idea. Below are the comparison images (sideways, again! Arrggh!). The lit image is basically so you know what you're looking at. Then with the lights turned out, you can see that the color match and light dispersion is darn near perfect! Ta-Da!

So my only remaining concern is when I take the actual piece out of my car and install the LEDs, will the machine screw I used for the transplant disperse the light different and then the window switches won't appear to be lit an equal amount on all 4 switches if the light disperses slightly differently on each switch? We'll find out -- I do have a backup plan to potentially remedy this if needed. Probably won't be able to put it all together until this weekend. But hopefully I'll have a completed product by the end of the weekend. It's gotta be perfect though. I'm not making a how-to guide unless this thing is perfect and looks OEM! Which I'm pretty sure it's going to!

Almost there! Exciting!!

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Whoah, at this point based on that post I believe something - at least minor - is different between the board in your 16 and my 17.

I believe my lock / unlock button is already illuminated. I have to double check to be absolutely sure but I think I remember noticing that when I pulled in the garage last night. I'll report back when I have a chance to take a look and confirm.
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I agree, I believe we're dead in the water. Thanks for the link to the service manual as I now have it - I took some time to dig in because it's all I could think about LOL. If you haven't already ordered a second switch I wouldn't bother. If you have I would try to cancel it.

The good news is that from the diagram it DOES appear as though the power window control module is built into the switch. The bad news is that even if the connectors are the same it does confirm that there are additional sensors in the window regulator that's used in the auto up/down applications that are not in the standard window motors. At least if they are, they are not shown in the diagrams. The wiring connectors at each motor appear to be the same but I highly doubt they would've put the more complex motors and the additional wires in the other doors and just left the control module out. I would think that would negate any real cost savings.

What I'm not sure of is if the M6 board would still work as standard switches for the other 3 doors without the auto motors in those doors. Of course the danger there would be if auto mode tries to work but doesn't have the safety stop and you burn out a motor...

Oh well, it was worth a good look at.

Attached are some clips I grabbed from the manual for the 3 to show what I mean.

EDIT: I didn't see your pics the first time I read your post. We picked out pretty much the exact some things.

@Studum @minsanity

Hey guys. On the wiring schematics, do I want to use the 1K or 1L pinslot to draw power for the LEDs? I'm just using a simple T-Tap connector. It looks like 1K is the IG1 relay (ignition relay I presume) which is what this needs to be wired to. But with my limited electrical knowledge, I see the 1L pin is the fuse relay -- do I want to tap that instead? Guidance por favor! Thank you gents!
Whoah, at this point based on that post I believe something - at least minor - is different between the board in your 16 and my 17.

I believe my lock / unlock button is already illuminated. I have to double check to be absolutely sure but I think I remember noticing that when I pulled in the garage last night. I'll report back when I have a chance to take a look and confirm.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me. The board is engineered for it. It's literally just missing the LED, everything else is there for it. I will be interested to know if this is the case...

EDIT: I do recall reading a Mazda6 thread where the guy "reversed engineered" the circuit board. He had mentioned that the window switch LED drew power off of the ignition relay, but the lock/unlock switch LED (absent from the circuit board) was tapped into the headlight relay. So the lock/unlock switch may be on when the headlights are on, but off when the they're off. Where as, the window switch light is on when the ignition is on. Just FYI.
@Studum @minsanity

Hey guys. On the wiring schematics, do I want to use the 1K or 1L pinslot to draw power for the LEDs? I'm just using a simple T-Tap connector. It looks like 1K is the IG1 relay (ignition relay I presume) which is what this needs to be wired to. But with my limited electrical knowledge, I see the 1L pin is the fuse relay -- do I want to tap that instead? Guidance por favor! Thank you gents!
Both of those look like they're used for the circuits to drive the power window windows. What you want to look for is the wire that controls the illumination - the wire that shows voltage when the headlights are turned on.

I haven't seen the full schematic for the plug and don't have time to look right now but my guess is that you'll want to be looking in the body illumination section somewhere (or whatever similar name the sections is called).
@Studum

Thanks for the insight. So I'm just going to talk this through...

So as I look at the wiring schematics, there is literally no wires that run off of the headlights (or more specifically, a switch that is controlled by the headlights being on/off). The whole circuit board is powered off the pin slot 1K - ignition relay. I've literally matched every wire to the schematics. Also, a key thread I've been using (link below), show's that the thread starter used the 1K - ignition relay - yellow wire to power his mod.

Interestingly enough, if you read the very last post, that's the guy that reversed engineered the circuit board. After re-reading it, it all makes a little more sense. Pin slot 1k it is!

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That'll for sure work. It just means that the LEDs will always be on as long as the car is on. Unless that's how it is OEM and we just can't tell due to the color of the switch printing and ambient light...

The pin 1F on this diagram makes me wonder what it is - as it doesn't show it connected to anything and it's only on the driver's side switch diagram (the only one with a light in your car) and not the other 3 switches. I'm wondering if that's an illumination control wire from the RBCM to the control panel.

I haven't been able to find where pin 3D is on the RBCM or what it does though in the little time I've had to take a look.

First I'd check if the LED is on all the time, even if the headlights are off. If it is carry on as you planned.

If the LED turns on and off with interior illumination I would test pin 1F at the window switch for voltage when the lights are turned on and off to see if that's the control wire.

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Scratch that... I just found the complete pin out for the switch harness.

Pages 6143 to 6146 of 10229 of the service manual.

I do not see an illumination circuit at all. Pin 1F is a door monitoring circuit so scratch that.

It looks like the LED is either on all the time or the illumination is controlled through some more advanced electronic witchcraft that I won't be able to figure out.

1K is IGN+ 12V
1L is BAT+ 12V

Don't use 1L LOL
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@Studum

Thank you my friend. That is very informative. I can confirm the light is on all the time. As you mentioned, it's lightly lit, so difficult to tell in the day time

Also, can you post a link of the manual you're looking at? The link I'm using has blank pages on it when I refer to 6143
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Thank you my friend. That is very informative. I can confirm the light is on all the time. As you mentioned, it's lightly lit, so difficult to tell in the day time

Also, can you post a link of the manual you're looking at? The link I'm using has blank pages on it when I refer to 6143
I was looking at the manual you sent me the link to. I downloaded it and was using adobe reader off of my PC. If you are looking at it through the plugin on your browser I would try downloading it and see if that helps.

FYI I can also confirm that the power lock switch is illuminated in my 17, but only that and the driver's window.
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I was looking at the manual you sent me the link to. I downloaded it and was using adobe reader off of my PC. If you are looking at it through the plugin on your browser I would try downloading it and see if that helps.

FYI I can also confirm that the power lock switch is illuminated in my 17, but only that and the driver's window.
Yes sir. I DL'd adobe and updated flash (a 4 month old PC mind you) and it works perfectly! I believe I'll finishing up the install this weekend. Hope to have some good results on Sunday!
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Here it is guys. The finished product. First pic is non lit, second pic is lit in the light, third pic is lit in dim light.

I replaced the drivers side switch with one that didn't say "auto" on it. I think it looks a little cleaner.

Just waiting on USPS to deliver my t-tap connectors and it'll be installed in the car. We can bring this project to a close!

And no, the lock/unlock button is not blue as shown in the second pic. No idea why my camera did that. The 3rd pic does have accurate colors

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@Chazzy J, I am beyond impressed with your skill, smarts and your dexterity!

BTW, Johns Hopkins University just called, for they are looking for a micro-surgeon for their artificial intelligence team. I gave them your name.
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I hope I will be able to get the parts and do it myself because I really need that. Good job.
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