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Transmission wise? Depends used to be that manuals were always faster but nowadays some of the dual clutch automatics are faster I can't really comment on the nat 3 as I have never driven one standard nor auto I have a speed
 

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I think the standard is something along .3 seconds quicker, really, its doesnt make a difference unless you are buying it to be a track car, its all preference. I went with the manual because I wanted my second car to be a standard, as I never owned one before and I wanted to feel that connection and control over the car. It can be a pain in the ass in traffic but at the same time it is alot more fun and easier to maintain. Hope this helps
 

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I test drove both 3s, the manual is faster once you are used to it. It just seems using the sportronic feature, it just seems like you are waiting for it to change gears. But like horrorscope said the manual is also a few fractions of a second quicker in a line as well.
 

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I test drove both 3s, the manual is faster once you are used to it. It just seems using the sportronic feature, it just seems like you are waiting for it to change gears. But like horrorscope said the manual is also a few fractions of a second quicker in a line as well.
If you're saying b/t the standard manual shifting and sportronic shifting then I'd assume standard manual... I've been messing with my sporttronic a lot recently cause I'd like to get into autox (should have got a manual) and like wingzero said, there is a decent delay from when you shift to when the car actually shifts. You can pull back to upshift and go up another 500 rpms before it shifts. And downshifting seems sluggish as well. But I've never owned a manual so I can't compare..
 

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I think the standard is something along .3 seconds quicker, really, its doesnt make a difference unless you are buying it to be a track car, its all preference. I went with the manual because I wanted my second car to be a standard, as I never owned one before and I wanted to feel that connection and control over the car. It can be a pain in the ass in traffic but at the same time it is alot more fun and easier to maintain. Hope this helps
The only fast shifting sportronic/clutchless manuals are dual clutch autos (i.e. VW's DSG). The manual is quicker because manuals have less drivetrain power loss than autos do, plus they weigh less. Manuals are also a lot more fun to drive... until you get stuck in a traffic jam (daily thing for me in SoCal).
 

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The only fast shifting sportronic/clutchless manuals are dual clutch autos (i.e. VW's DSG). The manual is quicker because manuals have less drivetrain power loss than autos do, plus they weigh less. Manuals are also a lot more fun to drive... until you get stuck in a traffic jam (daily thing for me in SoCal).
Very true! The DSGs have two clutches so one is already ready with the next gear rather than having to switch from one to the other. Super complicated engineering behind it and that is the simple version. If you want to shift fast with the manual, you can do so by switching shifting fast enough where you don't have to rev match, ie. you shift fast enough from 2nd to 3rd so the timing is just right when you put it into 3rd and release the clutch. Smooth and you don't have to even think about the accelerator pedal until after the shift is complete.
 

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Very true! The DSGs have two clutches so one is already ready with the next gear rather than having to switch from one to the other. Super complicated engineering behind it and that is the simple version. If you want to shift fast with the manual, you can do so by switching shifting fast enough where you don't have to rev match, ie. you shift fast enough from 2nd to 3rd so the timing is just right when you put it into 3rd and release the clutch. Smooth and you don't have to even think about the accelerator pedal until after the shift is complete.
Good tip bud. It's just crazy sometimes when you are taking a drag with someone driving DSG and less powerful car how he just run away fast than you. Just because I screwed up my shift from 1 to 2 (this clutch is not very precise in a Ms3) by the time I fix the problem the other guy is already taking a huge lead and laughing about me.
 

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Buy a TWM full replacement shifter
 

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Good tip bud. It's just crazy sometimes when you are taking a drag with someone driving DSG and less powerful car how he just run away fast than you. Just because I screwed up my shift from 1 to 2 (this clutch is not very precise in a Ms3) by the time I fix the problem the other guy is already taking a huge lead and laughing about me.
Yeah, your right about making one mistake but manual is WAYYYYYYY more fun that automatic to me, even if it is a paddle shifter. Its just not the same feeling... You can fix most of the drive train slop with a stiffer RMM and also a short shift plate or full replacement with the TWM as Kambo said.
 

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Yeah, your right about making one mistake but manual is WAYYYYYYY more fun that automatic to me, even if it is a paddle shifter. Its just not the same feeling... You can fix most of the drive train slop with a stiffer RMM and also a short shift plate or full replacement with the TWM as Kambo said.
I will consider it foooor suure!
 

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I test drove both 3s, the manual is faster once you are used to it. It just seems using the sportronic feature, it just seems like you are waiting for it to change gears. But like horrorscope said the manual is also a few fractions of a second quicker in a line as well.
If you're saying b/t the standard manual shifting and sportronic shifting then I'd assume standard manual... I've been messing with my sporttronic a lot recently cause I'd like to get into autox (should have got a manual) and like wingzero said, there is a decent delay from when you shift to when the car actually shifts. You can pull back to upshift and go up another 500 rpms before it shifts. And downshifting seems sluggish as well. But I've never owned a manual so I can't compare..
I'm surprised you guys think that shifting is so slow. After reading these posts today I drove and shifted with the manumatic feature and did not find them to be slow at all. The auto tranny has been praised by atleast 2 magazine reviews that I have read (I don't recall which)(facepalm) when being used in straight auto mode and the manumatic shift mode. I'm not saying it's a DSG but I find it to be very good.
 

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I'm surprised you guys think that shifting is so slow. After reading these posts today I drove and shifted with the manumatic feature and did not find them to be slow at all. The auto tranny has been praised by atleast 2 magazine reviews that I have read (I don't recall which)(facepalm) when being used in straight auto mode and the manumatic shift mode. I'm not saying it's a DSG but I find it to be very good.
Agreed with you bud. But DSG is the best thing out there right now, just precise, exact and damn fast.
 

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I'm surprised you guys think that shifting is so slow. After reading these posts today I drove and shifted with the manumatic feature and did not find them to be slow at all. The auto tranny has been praised by atleast 2 magazine reviews that I have read (I don't recall which)(facepalm) when being used in straight auto mode and the manumatic shift mode. I'm not saying it's a DSG but I find it to be very good.
After posting, the next time I used it I watched the rpms more closely and it wasn't that bad so I guess I was exaggerating a little. But I've never owned another car with the manual mode feature to compare it to. Or a true manual for that matter (this is my 2nd car). It could be very good compared to other cars. I'll trust the magazine reviews, so I feel better about it hearing that it's been praised. I'd just assume if you were going for shifting speed a manual would be the way to go.
 
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