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I'm headed home for Thanksgiving and a buddy of mine is wanting to race my MS3 and he keeps pulling the V8 vs a 4 cyl. debate. I've only had my MS3 for a little over a month and I'm a n00b when it comes to this car still.

The specs for his car that I know thus far:

1995 Pontiac Firebird 5.7L LT1
280 hp and 320 ft lbs of torque
NA, no turbo or supercharger
K&N drop in filter
And an aftermarket exhaust I'm not sure on the exhaust details...

These are the specs he provided and swears there are no extra mods he is hiding. He claims he can blow past EVO's and STI's but I am not convinced. Any guidance from the experienced MS3 guys here.
 

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Do the EVO's and STI's know that hes trying to race him when he blows by them? Not sure exactly what his car would be capable of but i would imagine it would be a fair match against yours overall, with him having an advantage off the line.
 

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Unless you're an extremely capable driver, he'll probably give you a wicked run for your money. I certainly would if I were driving that car. Of course, it's a '95 and is probably worn out and been beat on its whole life, so the actual numbers may be extremely inflated vs. reality if it's clapped out.

The Firechicken is no slouch, generally.

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Only at the track!!!
 
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I told him once I get my bonus here in December that I'm putting the intake, downpipe, midpipe, and exhaust on. Seeing as it has the top mounted intercooler would the 2010 get added performance from a front mounted one as well? I saw it was part of the stage 3 package for the 09's not sure if it still applies for the 10's.
 

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I'm also wanting to keep my warranty intact. Does that mean I can't use the Corksport stuff and have to wait for the Mazdaspeed parts? I have lifetime bumper to bumper and lifetime power train. I don't want to void those seeing as I have them forever. Would any of the possible mods void anything?
 

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I'm also wanting to keep my warranty intact. Does that mean I can't use the Corksport stuff and have to wait for the Mazdaspeed parts? I have lifetime bumper to bumper and lifetime power train. I don't want to void those seeing as I have them forever. Would any of the possible mods void anything?
Your warranty will remain intact, but aftermarket parts that cause problems could lead to denied warranty claims: Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Burden of proof is on the dealership. Btw, a proper FMIC will indeed be better than the stock TMIC.
 

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my bad...:blush 1:
 

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I'm not going to play innocent and claim I haven't ever broken the speed limit, but I am going to wholeheartedly agree that running at the track is a must if you want to race someone. Not only is it a controlled environment that has safety mechanisms built in, but it doesn't endanger innocent people. If that's not enough for you. It's the easiest way to get irrefutable proof that you WON.

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I'm not going to play innocent and claim I haven't ever broken the speed limit, but I am going to wholeheartedly agree that running at the track is a must if you want to race someone. Not only is it a controlled environment that has safety mechanisms built in, but it doesn't endanger innocent people. If that's not enough for you. It's the easiest way to get irrefutable proof that you WON.

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That's why we are going to the track. They charge a 5 dollar fee to watch the races and a 10 dollar fee to race all night. It's cheaper if you are just going in and out to race one time, but it's worth the 10 spot to do it legal and have the slip with the numbers as indisputable proof.

Seeing as I now know I can use aftermarket parts, I'm going to start doing some in-depth research as to what my best options are. I don't want the work done here in town because they price gouge and I don't trust them here but I have a friend that works at a shop about an hour away so I'll either take it there or wait til I get my new orders and get it done near the new place I get stationed. :stuart:
 

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Good luck and its great that you are taking it to the track. They need to do something with are old airport in Indy, it is just sitting empty rotting. A autopark would be great idea for it. We already have Indy Raceway Park though.

Anyway sorry for the rambling, let us know how it goes!
 

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I told him once I get my bonus here in December that I'm putting the intake, downpipe, midpipe, and exhaust on. Seeing as it has the top mounted intercooler would the 2010 get added performance from a front mounted one as well? I saw it was part of the stage 3 package for the 09's not sure if it still applies for the 10's.
I might be late for this answer, but here's how it goes:

Moving the intercooler to the front is usually done to swap a smaller IC for a larger one -almost certainly- locating it in a cooler area and exposing it to a more important cooling airflow.

Sounds great, right? Well as usual, there are draw backs.
The line from the turbo to your throttle body is much longer. This coupled with the larger IC causes a larger pressure drop and also a longer lag. If you like to drive the car on winding roads, you won't be happy with that at all.
Also, depending on specific car models, there might be cooling issues you might face. The IC usually goes in front of the rad. This means the air coming into the rad will be much warmer than it is now.

It is a common belief in the RX7 world that front mount is good for drag racing, while a stock mount or "V" mount is more appropriate for street/track applications. I would assume that the same principles would apply to any car. Given the fact that RX7 engine bays are high temperature steel melting ovens, the heat issue might not be so prominent in other cars, but the factual situation would not change.

As far as your race goes, I think it'll be close. You have a much newer car, probably a bit of advantage in the power/weight ratio, but you are a front wheel driver, while he's a rear wheel driver, which means off the line he'll have an advantage. I would assume that the second half of the race would be more likely to be your win.

Personally (since I can't use "hate" words in the forum), I extremely highly dislike drag racing, which I don't even consider racing. Perhaps you should challenge your friend to lapping at a track to see who can turn faster laps. That would be a real race. Finding out whether or not you can beat him in a very specific and limited (and pretty meaningless I might add) circumstance like taking off from a stand still in a straight line and for a specific distance doesn't account for anything important in my book.
A car's acceleration is one of the many elements that contribute to make a car a joy to drive. It is not the only one and that one only can't possibly be of any interest to anybody who truly appreciates cars.

Sorry for the rant, that's my 2 cents.
 

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Moving the intercooler to the front is usually done to swap a smaller IC for a larger one -almost certainly- locating it in a cooler area and exposing it to a more important cooling airflow.

Sounds great, right? Well as usual, there are draw backs.
The line from the turbo to your throttle body is much longer. This coupled with the larger IC causes a larger pressure drop and also a longer lag. If you like to drive the car on winding roads, you won't be happy with that at all.
Excellent info on the FMIC.

I'm not sure how many people who consider swapping intercoolers think about the effect that it might have on turbo lag. The fact that the Speed3 in stock config already suffers from a bit of lag already might be enough to make them reconsider.

Theoretically the FMIC might seem like a better choice since it's both larger and might allow for better cooling, buth with the Gen2 Speed3's hood scoop cooling might not be as much of an issue anyway.
 

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Excellent info on the FMIC.

I'm not sure how many people who consider swapping intercoolers think about the effect that it might have on turbo lag. The fact that the Speed3 in stock config already suffers from a bit of lag already might be enough to make them reconsider.

Theoretically the FMIC might seem like a better choice since it's both larger and might allow for better cooling, buth with the Gen2 Speed3's hood scoop cooling might not be as much of an issue anyway.
Well, the FMIC will allow same temperatures as a smaller IC, but with higher boost, that's the basic idea (or colder intake charge at the same boost).
But it might (or will) hamper your rad's ability to dissipate heat generated from the engine, which can become a problem in itself.
Looking back at drag racing, being a pass so short, the risk of overheating is pretty much non-existant.

Lag is only a bother if you are driving in the city (which might be a deal breaker...). If you are in the "hot zone", then it is not a big factor anymore.
Obviously, if you are drag racing, you'd expect that during your pass you won't be seeing your boost to drop down as you start spooled and you stay spooled throughout.

If you are going to a road course (or mountain road or the likes), then you'll be cursing the day you put a FMIC in. Not only you'll be dealing with the lag, but you'll also be dealing with a very temperamental vehicle that might break traction at any time without warning, just because of the transition into boost. Perhaps in a FWD this is less of a concern than it might be in a RWD, but it makes for a good challenge nonetheless.
 

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Quick internet search puts that car at 5.6 0-60 and 14.0 qtr mile on street tires. On wiki, it shows a 5.0 0-60 time with a 155 top speed.

Some drag radials and a stickie track,,, your toast. Sorry
 
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