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Hi guys, I just went today to the dealer to get my passenger side headlight taken a look at which has condensation since Tuesday and its not going away. The driver side created condensation but it was dried by Wednesday morning. Long story short, dealer didn't want to replace nor Mazda, they both say is perfectly normal when I know is not cause one headlight dried while the other one has visible drops inside, sliding down the lens. Mazda says that as per the pictures on their TSB, my headlight is perfectly fine.
When I got the car a year ago, the headlights never got condensation after it rained, same weather conditions I have here in Florida now. First time I noticed condensation was in winter when temperature dropped below 50 degrees. It was the light condensation, thing very thing that drops cannot be distinguished. For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.

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Hi guys, I just went today to the dealer to get my passenger side headlight taken a look at which has condensation since Tuesday and its not going away. The driver side created condensation but it was dried by Wednesday morning. Long story short, dealer didn't want to replace nor Mazda, they both say is perfectly normal when I know is not cause one headlight dried while the other one has visible drops inside, sliding down the lens. Mazda says that as per the pictures on their TSB, my headlight is perfectly fine.
When I got the car a year ago, the headlights never got condensation after it rained, same weather conditions I have here in Florida now. First time I noticed condensation was in winter when temperature dropped below 50 degrees. It was the light condensation, thing very thing that drops cannot be distinguished. For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.

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Just drive with headlights one during the daytime... it will dry it out and check the rubber gasket around the bulb
 

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Do both headlights do this? If they do, probably ok. If not, then how can Mazda say it's normal??? cos if it was, they would both do it.
 

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Hi guys, I just went today to the dealer to get my passenger side headlight taken a look at which has condensation since Tuesday and its not going away. The driver side created condensation but it was dried by Wednesday morning. Long story short, dealer didn't want to replace nor Mazda, they both say is perfectly normal when I know is not cause one headlight dried while the other one has visible drops inside, sliding down the lens. Mazda says that as per the pictures on their TSB, my headlight is perfectly fine.
When I got the car a year ago, the headlights never got condensation after it rained, same weather conditions I have here in Florida now. First time I noticed condensation was in winter when temperature dropped below 50 degrees. It was the light condensation, thing very thing that drops cannot be distinguished. For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.

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Just drive with headlights one during the daytime... it will dry it out and check the rubber gasket around the bulb
Gaskets are perfect, this philips bulbs are 2 months old. Everything is tie and “sealed”
Red circles come when there is heat, either sun or bulb turned on, these goes away after a few hours and reapears when sun hits or bulbs are on. This red area is the type of condensation I have been getting since winter. The blue area doesn’t go away, and here is where drops slide down the lens. It’s has been like that since Tuesday afternoon. The yellow area is the overall condensation area, that one doesn’t go away, same since Tuesday.
 

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Hi guys, I just went today to the dealer to get my passenger side headlight taken a look at which has condensation since Tuesday and its not going away. The driver side created condensation but it was dried by Wednesday morning. Long story short, dealer didn't want to replace nor Mazda, they both say is perfectly normal when I know is not cause one headlight dried while the other one has visible drops inside, sliding down the lens. Mazda says that as per the pictures on their TSB, my headlight is perfectly fine.
When I got the car a year ago, the headlights never got condensation after it rained, same weather conditions I have here in Florida now. First time I noticed condensation was in winter when temperature dropped below 50 degrees. It was the light condensation, thing very thing that drops cannot be distinguished. For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.

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Just drive with headlights one during the daytime... it will dry it out and check the rubber gasket around the bulb
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Do both headlights do this? If they do, probably ok. If not, then how can Mazda say it's normal<img src="http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/images/smilies/huh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Huh?" class="inlineimg" /> cos if it was, they would both do it.
That’s exactly what I told them. Both headlights got condensation on Tuesday after storm, passanger side got way more when normally both do it about the same. Wednesday morning one was ok the passenger side remained with the water in the lens like the pic shows. This is not normal, and I explained it to Mazda and dealer, they both say is “normal” hahaha(frustration)
 

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Yeah I've had this issue too on my 2014 sGT. Condensation showed up in my passenger housing after a slew of rare storms and humidity where I live. I took it to the dealership and mentioned it when I dropped it off. I was told it would be looked at but when I picked up my car there was no mention that it was ever investigated. From what I've seen and tried to learn, water isn't really an issue in the headlight and action usually isn't taken against it. Never had an issue with water inside a housing before. Of course because this is a "cosmetic issue," it really bothers me that there is nothing to be done. The water eventually dried up after a few days and left drip lines. If it persists or gets far worse, I may try opening the housing and resealing it.
 

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I most likely wouldn't. However I have thought about it now. Nothing makes you feel as annoyed as driving around in a top trim vehicle with headlights that are meant to draw attention to them, only to show that a car only four years of age host water inside. To me that looks horrible for reputation.
 

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I'm about to post something silly, so don't take it the wrong way..... BUT WOW, if you think people judge you by the amount of water droplets in your headlights, that's just weird.

And why would you even care what other people think about said water droplets in said headlights? Are you that shallow?

Do rear lights with water in them damage your reputation more or less than watery front lights? What about side repeater indicator lenses?

I have been known to drive an old car, with a crap badge, that was dirty, with the occasional spot of rust ! God help my reputation.......
 

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For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.
Gaskets are perfect, this philips bulbs are 2 months old.
So, anybody else see the connection here? New bulbs installed, now there is water in the housing. What are the chances that the new bulbs are not sealing properly?
 

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I'm about to post something silly, so don't take it the wrong way..... BUT WOW, if you think people judge you by the amount of water droplets in your headlights, that's just weird.

And why would you even care what other people think about said water droplets in said headlights? Are you that shallow?

Do rear lights with water in them damage your reputation more or less than watery front lights? What about side repeater indicator lenses?

I have been known to drive an old car, with a crap badge, that was dirty, with the occasional spot of rust ! God help my reputation.......
Ok relax :| I appreciate your assessment, but no that was my angle. I don't refer to my own reputation. I don't know who I am impressing with a Mazda 3 and the amount of water droplets in my headlights does not have a proportion to my self validation. I chose this car because it checked all of the boxes I was looking for. However as a future consumer, I am always observant to the products out there (in this case a car). Does my wife's older car of a different make and less than or equal to class have less rattles and issues than my car? Absolutely. That just strengthens the importance of due diligence.

If I see a new car with paint damage, I assume the owner took poor care of it through neglect. If I see a new car with water where it shouldn't be after such a short amount of time, I may think what other issues might that car if they cant keep it sealed? I've seen telltale signs like these before and soon enough a car is plagued with issues. No, just because a car has an issue like this, doesn't mean it will have other issues as well. Cars are getting better, but that doesn't mean that they are immune. No one wants to spend their time dealing with recalls. Mazda already had a winner on their hands but despite the glowing reviews; they still weren't as popular as lessor offers. I know a person that with a budget that could accommodate both cars went with a humdrum Corolla over a 3. Why? Because he trusted that a car with a reputation of being reliable a safer bet than risking his money on something he was unsure about. Facts aren't the only thing that will make a consumer's mind. Reputation has an overwhelming amount of influence.

My point: water being a performance issue or not, it looks bad. It casts doubt. Water in headlights are rare, but when I see it, I think: '"wow I hope that doesn't happen to me."


Aside from my explanation, I haven't touched my headlights. They are completely factory and this issue came to only my passenger side headlight.
 

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I'm about to post something silly, so don't take it the wrong way..... BUT WOW, if you think people judge you by the amount of water droplets in your headlights, that's just weird.

And why would you even care what other people think about said water droplets in said headlights? Are you that shallow?

Do rear lights with water in them damage your reputation more or less than watery front lights? What about side repeater indicator lenses?

I have been known to drive an old car, with a crap badge, that was dirty, with the occasional spot of rust ! God help my reputation.......
I am sure he meant Mazda reputation
 

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So, anybody else see the connection here? New bulbs installed, now there is water in the housing. What are the chances that the new bulbs are not sealing properly?
Or the old & the new differ in heat emission?
In my case, I know bulbs are not the issue, this never happened before, I once installed LED to get less heat inside the housing and avoid condensation in winter, still headlights had condensation, less than halogen but still had. Halogen 55watts OEM will emit the same amount of heat as any other Halogen 55watts. This is a Mazda issue, water shouldn’t build up inside a headlight that is new, very poor quality control despite them telling otherwise and coming with the “is normal due to natural occurrences”
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For the past couple of months, after the car been in the sun, and rain starts, they condensed, but dried by the next morning, also for the past 3 times I have washed then car, headlights condensate, this never happened before. And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.
Gaskets are perfect, this philips bulbs are 2 months old.
So, anybody else see the connection here? New bulbs installed, now there is water in the housing. What are the chances that the new bulbs are not sealing properly?
The condensation isn’t due to the Phillips bulbs, gaskets are fine, headlights have progressively developed condensation over the year of ownership. Condensation was present with OEM, LED and Phillips. One headlight is fine, the other is not, this is quality control. A headlight shouldn’t develop this amount of condensation cause of rain, and if it does, due to humidity, to be “ normal” like Mazda claims, then it should go away over night (like it did right till this time) once outside and inside temperatures and humidity are equal. I regret changing my Corolla for the Mazda3. Yes, while the Mazda is a better bang for your bucks, corolla has the steel reputation, and little cosmetics things like water inside the headlight will drive customers away. I know this is my first and last Mazda, no cause of the headlight, is cause Mazda refuses to replace it under warranty and says is normal, first car I own that has this issue since day one, I understand and old car, I understand one Mazda here and there, but since 2004 is a well know issue among Mazda cars. To bad I didn’t catch this when I decide to buy my first Mazda.
 

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In my case, I know bulbs are not the issue, this never happened before, I once installed LED to get less heat inside the housing and avoid condensation in winter, still headlights had condensation, less than halogen but still had. Halogen 55watts OEM will emit the same amount of heat as any other Halogen 55watts. This is a Mazda issue, water shouldn’t build up inside a headlight that is new, very poor quality control despite them telling otherwise and coming with the “is normal due to natural occurrences”
Total BS
Its not the fact that they are LEDs, the bulbs might not be sealing properly. It happens. The rubber seals on the bulbs might be too thin or not formed right, maybe they are a bit too thick to allow proper seating of the bulb. Too much of a coincidence between the installation of the new bulbs and the start of the issue to ignore.
 

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I most likely wouldn't. However I have thought about it now. Nothing makes you feel as annoyed as driving around in a top trim vehicle with headlights that are meant to draw attention to them, only to show that a car only four years of age host water inside. To me that looks horrible for reputation.
Mine are halogen and I’m upset, can’t image you having a higher trim and costing $800 a piece to replace. Yes, once I’m done paying this car (4) years, I’m getting rid of it cause Mazda is giving me issues with replacing it. Toyota has always helped with whatever issue I had in the pass under warranty, luck? maybe. Mazda is not on the customer side, to many cars out there with brand new headlights having this issue, yet they claim it to be normal, there is a clear fluke on their design, and has been like that for decades.
 

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And like I mentioned at the beginning, this past Tuesday, after an afternoon storm, both got condensation, Wednesday morning driver side was dried, passenger not, with visible drops like I never saw them or happened before.
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One headlight is fine, the other is not, this is quality control. A headlight shouldn’t develop this amount of condensation cause of rain, and if it does, due to humidity, to be “ normal” like Mazda claims, then it should go away over night (like it did right till this time) once outside and inside temperatures and humidity are equal.
Both, one, which is it ? According to your posts above it started a couple months ago, and the bulbs are two months old. Its very possible that you created the problem or at the least made it far worse by installing bulbs with gaskets that don't work. No, its not a normal condition, and I have to wonder if Mazda is taking the aftermarket bulbs into consideration when denying the problem. There is water getting in somewhere, and by your account the problem escalated drastically after installing the bulbs. Did you at least try putting the OEM bulbs back in?
Where did you see that this is a widespread issue? I don't see it happening very much at all and I see a whole lot of Mazdas. The only other one I have seen leak is a 2010 owned by my future SIL and the problem is bad a bulb gasket.

Mine are halogen and I’m upset, can’t image you having a higher trim and costing $800 a piece to replace. Yes, once I’m done paying this car (4) years, I’m getting rid of it cause Mazda is giving me issues with replacing it....... Mazda is not on the customer side, to many cars out there with brand new headlights having this issue, yet they claim it to be normal, there is a clear fluke on their design, and has been like that for decades.
Its not Mazda, its that your dealership is lazy and probably clueless. You do know you can go over their head and get this fixed, right? Its just silly to trash the car because a headlight is a bit leaky.
 
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